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« Thread started on: Feb 21st, 2008, 6:28pm » |
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TEXTTEXT "Nothing here below is profane for those who know how to see. On the contrary, everything is sacred."
Teilhard de Chardin
Is it a preposterous notion that if we just look into the soul.... we will be persuaded that there lies sacredness?
We either rush by like Levites juicing their jets to get to some theology seminar..... or we look aside because we self-serve our lovelessness by thinking what in hell can ever be worthy of a look in that scumscape's direction...... so we miss pouring oil on our shared wound...we miss the kissing of lepers...loving ourselves through others..... all the while prattling on piously about profanity being untouchable.... and instead of casting all cares unto God....we just caste ourselves into a scared eyescape....as opposed to receiving new sacred eyes that can see the beauty....the disguises of God challenging us....and the meaning and purpose of this commonwealth of unique characters longing to be crazed into holy wholeness.
Sometimes too we slot futuristic concerns in the profane slot..... because,well, maybe we just don't want to believe they are important enough to consider being worthy of attention..... this is especially true if we are convinced the world is hellbound into chaos and nihilism..... and we have some pretty future-hating dogma-sleds ready to lemming us over the rapture cliff.
Well...sanctified eyes of the Spirit obviously are not so chicken-garbageed into strictly dwelling in the land of nod where only small, narrow questions regarding small matters involving a small god .....
So...what is this crazy Catholic cosmic mystic saying to us?
Are we to ask great BIG QUESTIONS regarding the GREAT BIG COSMIC PLANETARIUM..... does not 'catholic' mean 'universal'?
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Re: Seeing
« Reply #1 on: Feb 21st, 2008, 6:34pm » |
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Am I correct to assume that there is a word censor that would morph me a 'chicken-garbageed' in place of my chosen 'chicken-s_ited'? OK.... no sweat..... but 'garbageed'? 
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 21st, 2008, 9:44pm » |
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Ron, I am suprised that scumscape made it through the firey filtration function. I ask GREAT BIG questions. And I get BIG answers. For those whose search is to find out if Adam had a belly button or not, will probably not go for the big questions. But I remember screaming at God asking why! Why a HELL, Why am I responsible? What's Gods responsibility now? I got BIG answers. Go for the gusto. Whats a gusto? I heard it on a beer commercial.
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Re: Seeing
« Reply #3 on: Feb 22nd, 2008, 11:44am » |
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Sheesh,D, you got yer mugshot into collective eyeshot.... a veritable facial oasis in a desert of cutesy but almost useless avatar icons..... I applaud Diana and you for such disclosure..... I would do likewise but this system here baffles and buffaloes me into blithering depths of duncedom.
Well...some of my Big Q's..... are humongous..... but can we not expect it to be possible to ride a behemoth and leap on a leviathan?
Are we invited to view the entire human journey... with spiritual eyes that afford us with an optimism that opens us to Divine possibility and potentiality.... not keep us freeze-framed in some prohibition of vision.... and the subsequent collapse into cynicism that anything is getting better on the WIDEST of scales and arenas?
I mean.... can we catch meaningful glimpses of the ever-increasing Glory flood of the emerging New Heaven/New Earth?
Being a devout anti-Rapturista..... well, not really devout.... let me quickly take off my piety pantaloons...  ...... and not one to get egriegiously enervated by this or that eschatology.... I do not see why we must be herded into some taboo-zoo in which such questions are scorned or shock-treated into mute submission.....
The BIG Q'S for some 'bizarre' reason just do not get the hint to vacate the premises.... they hang around....and demand an honest appraisal and hearing...
"Is there meaning and purpose to this long and universal odyssey of human evolution? Are we being led somewhere, or are we just Wizardless pinballs trying to leverage our inertia into some kind of momentum? I suppose 'to hell in a handbasket' will be the answer of some..... but that is a sick Grimm unBrotherLY HORROR STORY.... 
Is it fatuosly presumptous to see us...at this time...on a transformational cusp? Or is it simply a matter of crucifixion/resurrection....death/birth..... something in exodus mode, something in advent mode? Or is it a matter of KNOWING that which is a transient valueless flash in the pan, and that which is timely DAWNing enduring excellency?
How are our personal stories/'myths' woven into the widest Tapestry? Do we give our personal redeemed lives due credit for being such Grace-faciltated wonders? If so, are we content being Abba's 'guerrillas of Grace'..... enduring epiphanies behind every 'enemy' line.... beginning within our very own defragmentable domain? Are we CONVINCED that our faith and optimism in THE DIVINE PRESENCE within us IS WINNING the Day.....even despite the appearances otherwise?
How do we see and KNOW recognizingly that THE PATTERN of Christ is connecting the dots of history....stringing pearls before our spiritual eyes? Do we see devolution..... or do we sense, more than see perhaps, FREEvolution occurring? Perceptions of transformation..... visions of Terra Christa?
Can we be agents of abortion? Aborting this FREEvolution by our vociferous vexing voices crying chronically the 'sad vale of tears' blues.... so wrapped up in some myopic misery we fail to see the Perfect[ing] Plan of Abba unfolding inch by incremental inch?
Why would the Master Gardener.... abort the organic growth of human existence? Are not the seeds of growth and maturation planted in us, individually and collectively? Do we welcome that energy.... get in synch cooperatively with it.... get to really know Divine/human symbiosis/synergy? And thereby do what our spirits are designed to do naturally/supernaturally....GROW into the FULLNESS of God.... however and whatever that turns out gloriously to be.
What is good for the goose is good for the gander...if we see as valid for our personal soul stints in the 'dark night'...then why not support likewise on the wider stages of Creation?
Maybe...just maybe...for ENLIGHTENMENT to DAWN we must mourn the ENDARKENMENT....passing of former things...including our entire religious merit badge collection..... such tings...filthy rags...must be stripped away....weeded...weaned..... some of these things are 'deeply exalted and iconized' by us...and they have blinded us in ways not conducive to walking faithfully and in the Spirit/spirit.
Maybe we unwittingly wallow worm-like in a monstrous malaise of cynicism and hopes betrayingly deferred.... when we should be rejoicing that we are in a chrysalis threshold of liminality....liminal UNLIMITEDNESS.... talk about a paradigm shift into 'UNUSUAL BUSINESS'!
Funny how a little leaven of cynicism can inordinately propell us into sterility and impotence....a vexing visionlessness..... a dreamless dreariness.... into a enervating census of crises enweeding the field of our faith...... is this the portal of hell on earth.... or do we see a new, white unto harvest, field of Christ Consciousness within us....and hear Abba's Spirit.... tell us to confidently thrust our life...our sickle.... into the wheat..... with GUSTO?
'Guerrillas of Abba's Grace'..... ALWAYS know that the ONLY liberation zone that must first be taken is our imagination..... then we become wonderstrikeable BEINGS who begin to wage the struggle ..... the risky and exciting struggles of growth...and find they are living out their faith in more free and joyful ways in the midst of difficult, resistant, often oppressive circumstances.....
yb,Ron
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Re: Seeing
« Reply #4 on: Feb 22nd, 2008, 1:45pm » |
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Hi Ron,
Once again I feel your message is lost to me in a sea of words. My fault of course and NOT yours! 
Having said this, I will now ask why so many religiously pray "...Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven"
But continue living, playing, working with the pending and inevitable sense of doom. This is NOT FAITH!!!!!!
Faith is, (IMHO) a three step process.
1. Visualize it (see it)
2. Feel it (to ones very core)
3. Live it (Faith without works is not)
Sadly, I know many who seemingly gleefully await the destruction of the Earth, almost like: "See! I told you!..." But this is not the sign of a true heart, a heart filled with the good fruits of the spirit.
Such a heart, does not see the death or the destruction, nor is vindictive or boastful. Rather, it is meek and mild and living the spirit that it carries and cherishes. It's eyes and ears are on the Kingdom of God and the goodness that will replace negativity and love that will take over hate as worship removes apathy.
One should see oneself besides the still waters, should feel the soft grass between ones toes, experience the plethora of sights, sounds and fragrances that fill the entire space and live life with the same peace and feelings of wellbeing in everything.
Hope this in some one ties in with your post.
Much love in Christ
Darren
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 22nd, 2008, 2:16pm » |
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Well,Darren, dear bro...whether there be a sea of strange swirling words or not...my spirit certainly rejoices in the wondrous health of yours.... Abba has firmly equipped your spirit with a fine gyroscope/compass of expectant...experience the GOODNESS OF THE LORD NOW....faith
I cannot agree MORE with you.... obviously Abba and you are sat down at table in this good earth of His and are in cooperative creativity together.... it is in this very real and true relationship that we get to be in the ONLY VALID Q&A SESSION...some call THIS a 'wishful myth-crutch' [alas that is their poverty of spirit]..... obviously we disagree.... it is just the ebb and flow of LIVE PEOPLE IN CHRIST GROWING.... experiencing ALL the phases of life and death and resurrectional thrust....the Grace of synergy....that always lovingly allows for us beloved fools to ask Abba these great BIG things in order to navigate in His Spirit ever more effectively bearing the COMPLETE GOOD NEWS.
Did you get swamped by this 'sea of words' into a backwater of incomprehensibility ...... ? No, I do not believe so,bro,.... you are too saturated in Abba's love to be floundering,eh....
Much love connecting us in Christ Union....yb,Ron
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Re: Seeing
« Reply #6 on: Feb 22nd, 2008, 2:54pm » |
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Hi Darren I see a ying yang double minded effect from many in church-dom. The can speak of peace and prosperity in one breath and preach things will continually get worse while the anti-Christ takes over and KILLS ALL OF YOUR CHILDREN. Lets take up a love offering. I think that things are getting better. In fact I think things are great.
The avg life span is around 76 now, the best it's been since.....Abraham? Things are soo bad at my house I had to upgrade my cell phone service and buy my son a razor phone right after we changed internet providers, so my wife could keep up with her cosmetic consultant business while driving her new car while my daughter is at Georgia Tech, with her new car. Yes the end is near. HA.
I realize that there are folks who are not as blessed but as a whole this nation is wealthy. I live in Ms. The bottom of the food chain in every financial, educational, and job scale. So one would think that there are homeless people everywhere, starving souls looking for handouts it's so bad here we will soon be considered a third world country. Unfortunately we are soo blessed here were all fat. I remember years ago trying to hire local folks. The job service told me they would send me 10, 2 showed up. Yea it's sooooooooo bad.
I hope this enevitable doom comes quickly or else were gonna die of clogged arteries over here. The idea that things will get worse is a reality that is a self-created scenario many times. Live in the negative and you will die in that state. Even if things seem to get worse in the natural, the spirit man is always getting stronger.
Proverbs 4:18 But the path of the just is as the shinning light, that shinneth more and more unto the perfect day.
It does'nt matter whats going on in the world, look at whats going on inside of you
Isaiah 60:2 For behold the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: BUUUUUUUTT
the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
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Re: Seeing
« Reply #7 on: Feb 22nd, 2008, 3:05pm » |
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Hey Ron, aint I purdy? I took this picture after reading one of your posts without the Ronflyer's handy dandy dictionary of spirit speak... for beginners. I was obviously at a loss. I could'nt find scumscape- HA. Love ya bro.
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 22nd, 2008, 3:45pm » |
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Thanks LL1,
You wrote: "It does'nt matter whats going on in the world, look at whats going on inside of you" which is an absolute truth, for whilst ever one is concerned more of the speck in the eye of another, they are blind to the beam in their own.
I know that faith can have no union with fear or concern. I know also that spiritual knowledge is not power, nor is it love, grace or anything. But, spiritual knowledge in action becomes wisdom. Knowledge can be learned, but wisdom must be earned.
Much Love and peace in Christ,
Darren
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Re: Seeing
« Reply #9 on: Feb 22nd, 2008, 4:09pm » |
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on Feb 22nd, 2008, 3:05pm, The lawless 1 wrote:Hey Ron, aint I purdy? I took this picture after reading one of your posts without the Ronflyer's handy dandy dictionary of spirit speak... for beginners. I was obviously at a loss. I could'nt find scumscape- HA. Love ya bro.
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Darryl-I'll continue to hide my ugly mug behind my coffee mug, thank you.
I'm reading this thread thoughtfully, and will post something as soon as I aborb it all.
Darren-It's interesting that you quoted a line from the Lord's prayer. I've been thinking about starting a new thread entitled, "The Mystery of His Will", which will expand on just that.
Ron - I'm going to solicit you as my editor in chief, because its going to require some high-falootin language to get it all right and all out! 
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« Reply #10 on: Feb 22nd, 2008, 5:05pm » |
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 Now weez cookin', gang..... Darryl is dancin' like some Christ-crazy zorba-peon in a Mississippi marathon refusing to be self-marooned on some self-pity-island.... dance on,bro..... Abba will get the necessary shekels into the family coffers..... and as to my dictionary for loon-spirit-speak...... if and when my inner pharisee will permit it being published.... you will get an hieroglyphed version....you cheeky iconoclastic pest!
Joe.... your offer to be yer editor-in-chief flatters me beyond belief that a stream-of-consciousness-blarney-blabber could ever aspire to such a position of exalted redundancy...you need my services like you need a hole in yer coffee cup
Yes....Mystery of Abba's Will..... we can mine that goldfield until all the sacred cows are ground into hamburger...... when we let Abba's Spirit cleanse our windows of perception....like with UR....WOW..... do we ever get filled in on the next unveiling mysteries....and we get to STEWARD these mysteries in such marvellous ways feeding the household of faith.... yes, there are appropriate scriptures saying this...but I bet my bottom shekel you already know this,eh
Love,rON
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« Reply #11 on: Feb 22nd, 2008, 6:02pm » |
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« Reply #12 on: Feb 23rd, 2008, 08:42am » |
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This thread reminds me of a story I heard a few years back.
A visiting preacher was addressing a congregation of "seasoned saints". He was relaying stories of his experiences ministering to third world countries and said something to the effect,
"Now, in lower Polovia, 100,000 children are dying of malnutrion every year! That's bull sh_t!"
Just then , a resounding gasp was heard in the audience as the congregation in unison covered their mouths, to which the preacher responded:
"Now, it amazes me that most of you are more shocked hearing that naughty word coming from a preacher then they are that 100,000 children are starving".
We strain out a gnat and swallow a camel, and miss the big picture.
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« Reply #13 on: Feb 23rd, 2008, 1:48pm » |
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That's a good object lesson, JavaJOE!
Boy! The Lord sure does work in mysterious ways.
Just ask David.
Well, or you could ask Isa.
Running around there naked? ha
I am so tickeled right now.........well, I do declare, I think
I know what "naked" means finally.
When we get all them "holy garments" off, they left them
in the Bible all strewed behind them.
I used to wonder what that meant? ha
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